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Offline Glenn

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Exporting MP3's
« on: November 21, 2012, 01:59:16 AM »
Since I've been working with Audacity, I've been exporting files as WAV files, and then converting to mp3 from there.
 
 
I knew there was a way of exporting files as mp3, and that a 'LAME dll' file was needed, but because it didn't belong to audacity it had to be downloaded separately, so I didn't bother to go through the process of getting the download...
 
then I read the manual tonight, about LAME anyway...and it was so easy to download and install...
 
4 minutes later, I'm exporting files as mp3's - nice.
 
It even has 'options' so I can use a 'variable' bit rate, constant, average, or custom...very cool.
 
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Re: Exporting MP3's
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2012, 02:21:01 AM »
Yup, LAME is relatively easy to set up.  A few of the DAWs need it because they don't have their own MP3 exporter (they say it's a licensing issue).

Some DAWs do a decent job of exporting to MP3, with or without LAME, and some not so much.  When I get an MP3 that just doesn't sound quite right, I'll always try exporting as a WAV and then converting to MP3 with something like FormatFactory.  Sometimes it makes a difference.

Glad you got it sorted, though. :)

And yeah, love that VBR set to high.  Smaller files with decent quality...
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Re: Exporting MP3's
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2012, 02:38:04 PM »
Yup, LAME is relatively easy to set up.  A few of the DAWs need it because they don't have their own MP3 exporter (they say it's a licensing issue).

Some DAWs do a decent job of exporting to MP3, with or without LAME, and some not so much.  When I get an MP3 that just doesn't sound quite right, I'll always try exporting as a WAV and then converting to MP3 with something like FormatFactory.  Sometimes it makes a difference.

Glad you got it sorted, though. :)

And yeah, love that VBR set to high.  Smaller files with decent quality...

That's interesting Joom, as wav to mp3 has been my usual way to go, being that wav is good for burning to CD and usually I'd convert the wav with Format Factory to mp3 to post.
 
I haven't had a chance to make an "A" "B" comparison listening test yet, of mp3's (LAME or Format Factory) ...
but I'll be keep a close ear to mp3 exports from Audacity over the next while.
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Being curious, while we're on the subject of VBR.. I've often wondered how it knows when to back down or when to step up in VBR mode... does it pick up on the 'content' of the file.. more music = step up, blank and sparse spots step down the bit rate?
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Re: Exporting MP3's
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2012, 03:14:41 PM »
Without reading up on all the tech specs on it, Glenn, from what I have read I'd say you're pretty close to it.  More sound - more bits, less sound - fewer bits required...
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Re: Exporting MP3's
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2012, 08:06:21 PM »
I use the Franhoufer codec in Sound Forge, and never use VBR. I read somewhere that it was not necessary for most audio and could cause problems. I use the highest bit rate that will give me a file I can send to wherever.

Generally, lower bitrates just truncate more info, like losing sparkle in highs, but not dropouts. I honestly can't hear a difference between 320kps and 44.1 16 bit, and probably just convinced myself I can hear 256kps as worse. Truth be told, 99% of the listening public are like my brother, who may be able to hear the difference between 96 48 bit and 128kps but really doesn't give a s**t. He's listening on an iPod through his truck radio--hifi just ain't a priority. 8)
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Re: Exporting MP3's
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2012, 08:55:12 PM »
I use the Franhoufer codec in Sound Forge, and never use VBR. I read somewhere that it was not necessary for most audio and could cause problems. I use the highest bit rate that will give me a file I can send to wherever.

Generally, lower bitrates just truncate more info, like losing sparkle in highs, but not dropouts. I honestly can't hear a difference between 320kps and 44.1 16 bit, and probably just convinced myself I can hear 256kps as worse. Truth be told, 99% of the listening public are like my brother, who may be able to hear the difference between 96 48 bit and 128kps but really doesn't give a s**t. He's listening on an iPod through his truck radio--hifi just ain't a priority. 8)

That's interesting OG,
 
I spose the VBR is great when you're trying to minimize file size while still squeezing a 'higher' quality bit rate for the parts needed.  In the past, when posting mp3's of my CD cuts, I've always tried to go as high as whatever is allowed, so 320 'constant', was usually my choice for those purposes. That way, I figure the mp3 will be close to the wav file for the CD.
 
As for 'consumer vs. critical' listening - I think you're right, most people can't tell the difference from a 320 to even a 128, but they can tell the diff from a 48kbps to 128 ....
- when I mix and render, I mix it for those ears who might be able to tell the difference of 128 to 256 ... that way, the 'masses' are pretty much covered.  8)
 
It seems that, over time, (since the 70's at least,) people's critical listening has kinda gone by the wayside, even though the 'fidelity' capability is more advanced and available and more affordable than it's ever been... although, that's a pretty generalized statement.. there are a few 'audiophiles' out there yet, who enjoy their sound, like a connaseur tasting a fine wine.  8) 
 Some drink to get drunk, some drink for the enjoyment of the tasting experience, (AND they like the pleasant buzz afterward.)  ;D   ;D 
 
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Re: LAME - Exporting MP3's
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2013, 06:47:18 PM »
I had a question come up on using the LAME dll for converting files to mp3 in Audacity.
 
the info is at the top.   ( yeah, the manual actually explains it really well. )
 
I was surprised how easy it was to use it, once I had it set up in my system.
 
works great! \
 
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