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Offline Old Goat

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Re: New mic
« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2012, 09:54:33 PM »
Well, I pulled a little switcheroo on you. A is the same setup with the CAD replacing the upper Oktava. On B, I bypassed the Lex and recorded in 88.2 (Lex only does 44.1), then added some reverb with the Izotope mastering reverb in Sound Forge.

So far, from my go-to guys it's 3 to 1 for A. I'm pretty surprised that noone has mentioned noise. I know the Lex is noisy as hell because I can hear it in the cans, but I guess I'm getting enough signal to mask it.

Interested to hear what JOOM thinks...

For myself, I'm perfectly happy with A. Cuts out two steps--SRC  and adding reverb. I'm a lazy cuss...
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Re: New mic
« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2012, 12:13:41 AM »
Oh... was I supposed to be focusing on the voice..??? I thought you said you put the CAD on the guitar for a test "A" "B" thing. So I just focused on the guitar..
 
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Well OG, it just goes to show ya, ...
 
I had no clue what was what ... only that there were 2 files to listen to.. and "A" came out as my winner from what I was hearing.. concentrating on the guitar though. I wasn't listening for any differences in the vox.
 
Interesting! 
 
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Re: New mic
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2012, 08:48:34 AM »
No, you were right to focus on the guitar. I guess I should have reposted one of the earlier clips with the CAD on vocals. No worries! I think I've found the combination.

One thing is for sure, I'll have to track all the fingerpicked songs, then reset levels for strumming. ;)

I do that on the Washburn at gigs--really love the onboard pickup.
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Re: New mic
« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2012, 05:07:11 PM »
No, you were right to focus on the guitar. I guess I should have reposted one of the earlier clips with the CAD on vocals. No worries! I think I've found the combination.

One thing is for sure, I'll have to track all the fingerpicked songs, then reset levels for strumming. ;)

I do that on the Washburn at gigs--really love the onboard pickup.

Oh Ok then... so my input was 'valid' ... cool :)
 
Yeah, I find that, for me as well, 'fingerpicked' style generally needs a more 'intimate' mic'ing position, and/or a bit more 'gain' to the pre - and a tweak to the EQ maybe ...depending on what the outcome is.   
 
I realize you're already aware of this stuff OG, (just ramblin' here, adding to the topic, while we're on the subject  :P  )... would like to hear yours and others ideas on this too...
 
I find that (for me anyway), the compression configuration on the fingerpicked style often needs a bit of tweaking compared to the configuration of a "strummed with a pick" style on tracks.  I tend to set the ratio a bit harder on the strummed, and I like to bring more 'definition' in the fingerpicked style by adjusting the ratio, attack and release times, and the knee a bit ... and it allows room to adjust the 'output' of the track too.
 
I've attempted some double blind 'A/B listening" tests on different compression configurations for both fingerpicked style and strumming style, on my Yamaha Acoustic, and I found it a real 'challenge' to listen without any idea as to which track was which, and pick out a track that felt 'better' - better could mean a bunch of things depending on what I'm going for in the track, like 'definition', brightness, cutting power, fullness, clean-ness, sonic spread, ambience, early reflections, punch, sustain, etc etc ... and overall 'how it feels' to my ears.   8)
 
I also think one of the 'determining' factors while doing the "A/B" testing is knowing 'what one is going for' in the sound or track that we are "A/B" comparing.  I find the more or less one knows about what went into each track, it can have a 'determining' or pre-determining factor psychologically on what you 'think' the results should be.
   However, if the 'criteria' has been established, and those doing the "A/B" testing, know what they are listening for and use that criteria to make listening judgments, it makes for more 'solid' and possibly more reliable and consistent findings, especially when several sets of ears are doing the same test, all listening for the 'same' things like relative 'brightness', clarity, etc etc.  as opposed to the scenario of 'which sounds better?" - leaving a very wide range of factors to take into account and what someone's definition of 'better' is, and we all know that can vary from one set of ears to the next.  It can get pretty complicated when one gets to the nitty gritty of it all. :P
 
but it's fun to do!   :P
 
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Re: New mic
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2012, 06:18:04 PM »
Indeed. What I did was just grab a pick and start a strummed song, and the VLA lit up like a X-mas tree! Will definitely back off the output on the pre, but keep the input hot to the tubes--I love that tube sound.

There's a chance I won't even need the second mic on the guitar, but it'll depend on the overall tone.

The other thing is not to hit the Lexicon too hot. Clipping that baby is just nasty. :o
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Re: New mic
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2012, 08:36:03 PM »
Late getting back to the party, been having computer issues.

I agree with Glenn about A being a little 'brighter', OG.  But also, to me it just feels better harmonically.  B (to me) feels/sounds like it clouds the harmonics somewhat.  That would give A a little more clarity/sharpness/bounce, which might be why people tend to like the sound.  It also made it blend better with the vox, in my opinion.

I didn't do any testing on the tracks this time yet, but just on a few listens I do prefer A.

I'll check it more later in the phones, and maybe run it through a couple freq tests, but A is it for now.  And I still like the song... ;)
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Re: New mic
« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2014, 05:35:48 PM »
After recording a new song, I broke down and bought a Fethead for the ribbon. It's just a small, phantom-powered FET amp that goes between the cable and the mic. 20db of clean gain, and really opens up the high mids. 8)
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Re: New mic
« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2014, 07:20:25 PM »
I listened to A sounding good at this end.
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Re: New mic
« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2014, 01:55:31 AM »
After recording a new song, I broke down and bought a Fethead for the ribbon. It's just a small, phantom-powered FET amp that goes between the cable and the mic. 20db of clean gain, and really opens up the high mids. 8)

yeah, I bet that makes a huge difference when you compare the signal without the FET.

'clean' gain is the key word there.. which makes it a lot easier on the signal chain.

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Re: New mic
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2014, 10:26:13 AM »
I'll have to look up a ribbon mic. I haven't heard of them before. I think mine is called dynamic or cardoid or something. can all mics use a fet or need power to make them sound better?
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Re: New mic
« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2014, 07:25:07 PM »
Condenser mics don't need it because they use 48v phantom power, which is also what powers the FET. You can use the booster on any passive ribbon or dynamic mic.
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