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Offline Agradeleous

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Mixing and audio output ?'s
« on: April 08, 2014, 08:40:28 PM »
  HI all hope everyone is good . I have been wondering about mixes and audio output levels . Glenn I know you remember me talking with you about them from time to time .


  So I had an idea and to not get lost or should I say me get lost I'd like to just direct over to the TTM thread next time I hope to remember to post here because I know Glenn will have some very valuable information and also because he is just plain coooooool or should it be Koooooooool LOL


  I hope if it works and people participate that many can take a way some good info and tips plus it might be fun as well  .


Thanks your time ..... Here's the link .......... http://www.twotrackmusic.com/ttmforums/index.php?topic=545.new#new

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Re: Mixing and audio output ?'s
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2014, 02:52:41 PM »
  HI all hope everyone is good . I have been wondering about mixes and audio output levels . Glenn I know you remember me talking with you about them from time to time .


  So I had an idea and to not get lost or should I say me get lost I'd like to just direct over to the TTM thread next time I hope to remember to post here because I know Glenn will have some very valuable information and also because he is just plain coooooool or should it be Koooooooool LOL


  I hope if it works and people participate that many can take a way some good info and tips plus it might be fun as well  .



Yeah, we have some 'tweak challenge' threads around that this type of thing fits right into, Ags. 

We all strive at one point or another where we feel we need to optimize our 'sound' recording.
Audio Output and mix levels etc is a good topic, too.  ;D

- there's a lot of 'variables' to contend with, like mic placement and type, instrument, etc.
- the level you record at - through the entire 'audio chain' is also a contributing factor in how the final mix will sound.
- the level the 'wave form' reads and peaks at is an important part of the chain as well, and what you do with it during mix is a big part of the final outcome.
-  the use of compression, vst effects like EQ and reverb etc, and limiters, can do lots to shape the sound, add clarity, or punch and presence or they can do the opposite as well, depending on how they're used.  8)

for added info, just use the forum's search box in the top right of this page to look up related topics of interest like, : transient peaks, peak limiting, RMS, use of compression, Mastering, etc  there's lots of good info around.  8)

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This is a good topic Ags ..

I'd say you'd need to compare apples to apples ... to find out what your sound needs to make you happy, as what I might do with a song to boost 'levels' may not be what's right for song, or style etc.  There's many ways to go about adding 'level' or gain, or punch and clarity or presence to a mix.  Is this the kind of info you're interested in.

may I suggest ..
perhaps post a track or two, maybe guitar and vocal or bass or lead..

then post the raw tracks, as is... no tweaks.
then post you 'mix' along with mix notes, and we could do the same.

you'd probably get a variety of 'mixes' and maybe this could help you figure out what you need to do for your own sense of mix satisfaction.

would be an interesting exercise to hear the various mixes and read the various notes and tweaks.
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Re: Mixing and audio output ?'s
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2014, 02:00:12 PM »
further to my above comments...

it's interesting to note that some people don't think the 'details' make much difference along the way ....
but then again, these could well be the same ears that hear no difference when comparing an mp3 to a .wav file....  yet others swear they can hear a difference from 16 bit 44.1KHz to 24 bit @ 48KHz file.

Some ears are more discerning than others, and this could be why the little details along the way make the difference for them ... it depends on what you're going for, and what you expect from a production.

Post a few bars of a track, Ags, and I'll see what I can do to help you out, my friend.

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Re: Mixing and audio output ?'s
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2014, 12:33:22 PM »
this is a good topic I'd like to know more about how to record too.
I might be one who can't tell the diff between a wav and an mp3.  how can u tell the difference cause I don't think I know what to listen for.

I take an mp3 and convert it to wav, then play them and I don't hear any difference.

am I doing it right?
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Re: Mixing and audio output ?'s
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2014, 11:53:05 PM »
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I take an mp3 and convert it to wav, then play them and I don't hear any difference.

am I doing it right?

Mp3 is a compressed sound so converting to wav. won't make a difference. You can't un-compress it. You'll want to convert wav. to mp3 to check the difference. How to listen? Best way for me to describe it would be to listen past the sound of the music itself. Only the strongest of signals or sounds are kept in mp3 whereas the wav. retains the most subtle tones and harmonics of a sound. I think I said that right, Glenn?

Personally, I don't listen to music that way so I don't bother myself with those details. If its a good song, done well, it don't matter if its mp3 or wav. Of course, crushing it down to a low bitrate mp3 isn't worth listening to either.
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Re: Mixing and audio output ?'s
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2014, 11:53:53 PM »
BTW, this is my 100th post 8) ;D
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Re: Mixing and audio output ?'s
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2014, 02:02:23 AM »
Mp3 is a compressed sound so converting to wav. won't make a difference. You can't un-compress it. You'll want to convert wav. to mp3 to check the difference. How to listen? Best way for me to describe it would be to listen past the sound of the music itself. Only the strongest of signals or sounds are kept in mp3 whereas the wav. retains the most subtle tones and harmonics of a sound. I think I said that right, Glenn?

Personally, I don't listen to music that way so I don't bother myself with those details. If its a good song, done well, it don't matter if its mp3 or wav. Of course, crushing it down to a low bitrate mp3 isn't worth listening to either.

yep, I'd have to agree papaG ... convert the wav to mp3 then listen to both without being told which is which.  and yeah, I'd say that you can 'hear' a difference in files as a result of 'missing' info in an mp3 - info that a wav file will have such as subtle harmonics, and certain frequencies ...  to tell what an extreme mp3 file sounds like, just convert it to 56Kbps and you'll get a big sense of what 'chuncks' of audio get sliced from the file.

I never used to listen to music for those 'details' either, til I began running my own recording studio, and was paid to minimize anomalies in the audio chain ... and I love listening to music that's easy on the ears in this respect.. although there was a time when I didn't know the difference between a good recording and a 'really good' recording...

what's kinda funny is, - is that once we know how to recognize the 'artifacts' that result in converting wav to mp3, the more easily we  discern even smaller artifacts - funny in one way, and a curse in another .. lol  :P 

It's interesting, that there are different 'ways' to listen.  with the head and with the heart, or even a mix of both ...  8)

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Re: Mixing and audio output ?'s
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2014, 02:06:11 AM »
BTW, this is my 100th post 8) ;D

woohooo... congrats on your 100th post!!!!  that's a mile marker.  ;D   once you've past 1000 - anything could happen! lol might even get a special Café Cup award ... and a party too! and you'd have to sing a song about it... lol

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Re: Mixing and audio output ?'s
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2014, 11:05:32 AM »
BTW, this is my 100th post 8) ;D


Rookie.... :P


Just kidding....congrats!! ;)

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« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2014, 01:24:46 AM »
:P :P

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Re: Mixing and audio output ?'s
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2014, 01:06:42 PM »


  to tell what an extreme mp3 file sounds like, just convert it to 56Kbps and you'll get a big sense of what 'chuncks' of audio get sliced from the file.




what's kinda funny is, - is that once we know how to recognize the 'artifacts' that result in converting wav to mp3, the more easily we  discern even smaller artifacts - funny in one way, and a curse in another .. lol  :P 

It's interesting, that there are different 'ways' to listen.  with the head and with the heart, or even a mix of both ...  8)

I converted a wav to an mp3 of 64kbps and lisened to both, and I could tell which was which and how the wav sounded better and that the mp3 sounded harsher and not as nice on the ears.  then I tried it on a 128mp3 and couldn't notice it as much but thought I could still hear some of that harsh stuff but not so extreme I guess.

interesting, I'm stll learnin
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