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Question(s) for the Pro's ;)
« on: August 23, 2015, 04:02:27 PM »
I'm in the process of trying to get an album up to "retail" standard with the view to actually selling it (assuming anyone would buy it lol)


I've been looking at a few such sites (CDbaby, Spotify etc) and I came away more confused than when I started :P


I know some of you have experience in this area, so I was wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction to start...


Is the starting point SOCAN?
Or the distributor (CDbaby etc)?
What about establishing copyright?
Should I be the Publisher myself?

I seem to be going round in circles lol


The only thing I've nailed down for sure is I have to make the music :P




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Re: Question(s) for the Pro's ;)
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2015, 03:47:46 AM »
Hey Neil

great that you're planning on putting out that Album.


yeah, I'd recommend you register your tunes for copyright protection if you're planning on marketing your songs.

and I'd say it's a good idea to register with SOCAN ( when you do so, it automatically covers ASCAP too).

If you want on iTunes you'll need to go through a 'third party' like CDBaby ....
If you're pressing hard copy CD's as well as digital media, you may want an ISRC code and depending on where you get them retailed, a UPC code for each skew. .. with a fee for each track on itunes. There's annual registration fees to consider as well. Lots of fingers like to get a piece of the pie.  Self publishing may be less demanding on investments up front, but it'll mean doing most of the foot work yourself.

 These days, I try to leave the marketing end of my music up to those who wear the marketing hats.. and in that sense paying someone else to do that is worth the investment, but it frees me up so I can keep on recording, composing, producing.   

I hope that helps.
good luck with it!
« Last Edit: August 26, 2015, 07:15:14 PM by Glenn »
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Re: Question(s) for the Pro's ;)
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2015, 10:17:54 AM »
Thanks Glenn!


Interesting side note....SOCAN requires your music to be already on sale or you have a gig booked in order to register lol


Also checked out the SAC(Songwriters Association of Canada) which is a paid membership, which allows you to submit to the "Song Vault" (formerly the Canadian Song Depository) for a fee, which is not quite the same as registering with the copyright office(also for a fee), but is very similar in terms of providing a hard copy "date of creation" rather than the automatic copyright under Canadian law which basically means nothing much in court :P lol


Man, this is more complicated than making the music in the first place :P


As you say, everyone wants their piece of the pie lol


I don't think I'd be pressing "hard media", seems like a waste of time and money nowadays, although playing live and selling the CDs in the parking lot would be the traditional way to go...and it would be awfully cool to hold a copy in my hand :P


So here's my thoughts, in order:


Membership of S.A.C
Membership of SOCAN (When I get a gig :P)
Submit the finished album to the SAC Song Vault
Submit the "album" to CDBaby for distribution
Sit back and wallow in the piles of cash coming my way....NOT :P


Make sense?

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Re: Question(s) for the Pro's ;)
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2015, 08:20:41 PM »
Hi Neilmac:

If you're looking to have your music available for broadcast, you should apply for an ISRC number (International Standard Recording Code)  The ISRC system is integral to the collection of royalties from broadcast.  It's quite simple to apply, and is a quick process. Connect Music Licensing administers ISRC licences in Canada.  Here's their link - http://connectmusic.ca/about-us.aspx

It's best if the ISRC codes are embedded in the audio file.   Connect music has a list of available software which can be used to embed the codes - Roxio, Cakewalk, Nero, and Sony to name a few. 
http://connectmusic.ca/isrc/isrc-application-form/isrc-encoding-software.aspx

Sonoris offers a free ISRC embedding tool, which you can download onto your pc.  You can get it here.  http://www.sonorissoftware.com/catalog/isrc-editor-p-59.html

If it's not embedded, you may be asked for list of the ISRC numbers for your music when submitting it to various sites.  So, the way I see it, apply for, and get your ISRC number, then there's a better chance of you seeing the dough roll in.   :)

Another topic you should read up on is Loudness Compliance - There has been a number of international broadcast standards developed  to address the issue of inconsistent audio volumes in broadcast.  I'm sure we've all dealt with varying volume differences from one song to another - causing one to constantly adjust the volume control on the radio.
The new standards address not only the True Peak of audio, but also the perceived loudness of audio.  You can read about the regulations in this article by tc electronic - http://www.tcelectronic.com/loudness/loudness-explained/

Hmm what else ... oh yes, you should also register your songs with "Nielsen Virtual Encode".  They track the ISRC numbers of audio and video works which are broadcast, and pass the info onto the rights organizations such as SOCAN.  Here's the link http://www.nielsen.com/ca/en/solutions/measurement/music-sales-measurement.html


As far as publishing your works, I suppose it's up to you, and how far you want to take it, and how much time you have to devote to publishing your works.  A Publisher gets paid when the money flows, so it won't cost you anything.  Just be careful as to how much of the pie they want to take, as it passes by them.  ;) The "get paid for good work accomplished" gives the publishers incentive to promote your music.  And, of course, they have more contacts, and avenues set up as well.


This seems like alot, just take it one step at a time.   :)

Best of luck.

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Re: Question(s) for the Pro's ;)
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2015, 09:13:37 PM »
Thanks Maureen!
I'll check that stuff out :)

It's a wonder anyone has time to actually make any music lol

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Re: Question(s) for the Pro's ;)
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2015, 10:41:23 AM »

It's a wonder anyone has time to actually make any music lol


LOL  that's where the "behind the scenes" people come into play.  :)
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Re: Question(s) for the Pro's ;)
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2015, 10:18:34 PM »
Glenn was just telling me about a feature in the new mixbus 3, regarding location markers and CD ranges that appear on the "rulers" of the editor window.  This window allows you to see all existing markers in one windows, with all the parameters displayed.  Items with the CD box checked will also get the ISRC, SCMS, pre-empasis, performer and composer, entry boxes which will be incorporated into the CUE/TOC (table of contents) file during session export and can be imported by CD burning software. 

This is a great feature for those who promote their music for broadcast, as the ISRC number is a unique tracking number which assists with the tracking of airplay, and use of audio and video works for radio, tv, and other broadcasting, thus for the payment of royalties to the creators of the works.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Recording_Code

The SCMS(Serial Copy Management System) is a copyright protection system which set a "copy" bit in all copies, preventing people from making further copies.  It worked mainly with DAT machines, mini disc recorders and digital cassette recorders, which are all now outdated.  But, I do admit, it's a nice idea thinking that other people could be prevented from copying CDs, rather than purchasing them, and supporting the musicians. 

It's interesting learning the depth of what is available with Mixbus V3.0